I think it's around 150-200 years old

[cenkbaba]

Merhaba arkadaşlar,

 

[Pearl Dreams]

Translation from Turkish:

Hi guys, does anyone have any idea about these pearls? My mom is quite old and doesn't remember much. The single big one is about 16mm and surrounded by old cut diamonds, the bigger one of the pair is about 10mm, I think it was a birthstone for her first husband's birthday, around 1881. I don't have exact information about the necklace. It may have been bought in France in the 1950s or at the first auction of Christie's between 1969-1980, or it may be older. It had diamonds between 9.8mm and 11mm, but my mom's old nanny took them (

 

[cenkbaba]

Hi guys, does anyone have any idea about these pearls? My mom is quite old and doesn't remember much. The single big one is about 16mm and surrounded by old cut diamonds, the bigger one of the pair is about 10mm, I think it was a birthstone for her first husband's birthday, around 1881. I don't have exact information about the necklace. It may have been bought in France in the 1950s or at the first auction of Christie's between 1969-1980, or it may be older. It had diamonds between 9.8mm and 11mm, but my mom's old nanny took them (

 

[cenkbaba]

Today I asked a veterinarian friend and I received x-ray images.

 

[CortezPearls]

Hello @cenkbaba and welcome to our forum.
Hard to say with the photos...you should go to a Dentist for better photos. Pearls look amazing under dental X rays.

They are definitively nice looking baroque pearls. The larger and rounder one looks cultured to me, maybe a South Sea pearl.
The x rays display mostly "bands" inside the pearls, so I would say these are cultured...but maybe the x-ray machine displays these bands as a fault....thus, very hard to be conclusive.

 

[cenkbaba]

Hello @cenkbaba and welcome to our forum.
Hard to say with the photos...you should go to a Dentist for better photos. Pearls look amazing under dental X rays.

They are definitively nice looking baroque pearls. The larger and rounder one looks cultured to me, maybe a South Sea pearl.
The x rays display mostly "bands" inside the pearls, so I would say these are cultured...but maybe the x-ray machine displays these bands as a fault....thus, very hard to be conclusive.

What stone could the blue and black necklace be? I x-rayed them to see the difference between the pearls and them.

 

[Pearl Dreams]

Agate is one stone that is striped.

 

[pattye]

It seems to me the bands all run parallel east-west, and are likely a factor of the xray, not representative of what is inside the pearls. Actual striped mop nucleus would present more varied angles. I look forward to finding out more about these pearls.

The interesting brownish beads are possibly a type of jasper, and the bright blue beads, possibly glass, like fine Italian glass.

 

[cenkbaba]

https://news.internetstones.com/rare-natural-pearl-sells-for-staggering-811000-at-woolley-wallis-auction/

How lucky are you, the value of pearls is known in your countries, I am offered one tenth of it. )

 

[CortezPearls]

https://news.internetstones.com/rare-natural-pearl-sells-for-staggering-811000-at-woolley-wallis-auction/

How lucky are you, the value of pearls is known in your countries, I am offered one tenth of it. )

Well, very likely you have cultured pearls...and not natural pearls. But if you really believe these ara natural: have them sent to a reputable gem lab such as Liechenstein, SSEF or even DANAT.

 

[pattye]

Cenkbaba, Congratulations, you certainly have a treasure.

 

[cenkbaba]

Thank you, but I don't think there are many people interested in it in Turkey. I haven't even found a place where I can get a certificate to get an insurance yet.

 

[cenkbaba]

BugünPictures on a white background and a close-up of the crack that has formed in the pearl over time.

 

[pattye]

What sort of "pearl expert" did you find? They should have told you that is significant damage on the large pearl. I've never seen any natural or cultured pearls with the sort of textured surface seen on the knotted strand, and I've seen lots of pearls over the years. Perhaps someone else here has.

 

[Lagoon Island Pearls]

The xray views, though low resolution have visible bisected growth fronts at the nucleus.

These are cultured pearls.

 

[CortezPearls]

I think natural pearls are valued in carats (or grams) rather than size. Is there anyone who has information about the average gram value?

You can use our guide: https://www.pearl-guide.com/threads/pearl-weight.449304/

 

[CortezPearls]

The xray views, though low resolution have visible bisected growth fronts at the nucleus.

These are cultured pearls.

That is what I saw as well. But the x rays are not the best. Retesting with dental xrays would be best.

 

[cenkbaba]

With the advice of my veterinarian friend, we placed 2 stone necklaces under the pearls (to make a comparison). The ones with stripes are stone necklaces. The veterinarian (of course, as much as he understands, he said only that they are filled) stated that the stones have different solid structures inside.

 

[Lagoon Island Pearls]

... of the pearls showed white or off-white (cream) bodycolors, while reddish or brownish stains could be found on the surfaces of a few. Microscopic examination revealed overlapping aragonite platelets typically seen in nacreous pearls, as well as evidence of aging, including delicate chalky outer surfaces, worn and peeled layers, and surface cracks in some cases ( figure 7). However, many of the samples still displayed good surface conditions, a high luster, and a strong orient from underlying nacreous layers, reflecting their once-fine quality ( figure 8). ...-

You state microscopic examination but have not provided supporting documentation of the type, examiner or protocol.

You have also stated the items were aged, but have not provided evidence of this either.

In either instance, these are not tests typically performed by jewellers instead by accredited labs which provide documentation/certification.

At first I was skeptical. Upon examination of the X-ray views, observing size, shape and uniformity, I'm certain these are cultured pearls.

As such, these presumptions are outrageous.

 

[cenkbaba]

You state microscopic examination but have not provided supporting documentation of the type, examiner or protocol.

You have also stated the items were aged, but have not provided evidence of this either.

In either instance, these are not tests typically performed by jewellers instead by accredited labs which provide documentation/certification.

At first I was skeptical. Upon examination of the X-ray views, observing size, shape and uniformity, I'm certain these are cultured pearls.

As such, these presumptions are outrageous.

You state microscopic examination but have not provided supporting documentation of the type, examiner or protocol.

You have also stated the items were aged, but have not provided evidence of this either.

In either instance, these are not tests typically performed by jewellers instead by accredited labs which provide documentation/certification.

At first I was skeptical. Upon examination of the X-ray views, observing size, shape and uniformity, I'm certain these are cultured pearls.

As such, these presumptions are outrageous.

Yes, having a laboratory test will be the definitive result.