Are These Cultured Pearls ? White 18k & Platinum Clasp

jools

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Greetings - My first post!

I have had these pearls of my aunt since the mix-sixties. I never really looked at them closely until recently.

Now I do I see by the marks on the short tongue in round barrel clasp that it has a rather expensive clasp. The stringing is original to the pearls, of that I am sure. So next I wonder what type of pearls they are?

Before registering I've been reading as much as I can about pearls and am amazed at how many different types there are. I know by looking at the bead holes and looking at each bead with high magnification that there is no flaking or damage. They are definitely not simulated pearls - ie not glass or plastic or Roman pearls.

There are some marks on the tiny clasp tongue which I cannot read. There are four marks on that side of the tongue. The first is the makers name initials and reads MH.
The second I cant see but in one image it looks like a big letter M in the middle, but in other images not. The next is the number 750 the export mark for 18k gold and the last a shield with a pointed base.

The necklace itself is just under 22" long. The pearls vary slightly from 7.5mms to 8mms. The drill holes are tiny. There is a knot in between.

I know from reading this site that Mikimoto seems to have been the inventor of a certain type of pearl and that he has many immitators. But I wonder who MH is and if anyone knows?

I read somewhere that wearing pearls increases their luster, so I am wearing them. To me they just look pearl coloured, not with a particular colour or sheen apart from creamy pearl. I will photograph them more closely after I have worn them for a week.

Lastly, I am thinking of selling them. The economy is tight and we could use the money. But how on earth can I figure out how much they may be worth ?

I really would appreciate guidance from the experts here and thank you for reading and looking at the images.

Jools in UK
 
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Hi
The marks on the clasp are probably a hallmark - proof of what the metal is and when the item was assayed, where and who set it for marking. There is plenty of information on the internet - wikipedia and other sites
. From there it should be possible to work out if the pearls are still on their original clasp.
I'm in no way an akoya expert but these seem large and ungraduated for what appears to be a 50 year old strand.
The mikimoto trademark (not a hallmark) is a letter m in a clamshell. just the one logo.
Other than that we need a photo to be able to tell more
Cheers
Wendy
 
Hi Wendy - Yes, I know the hallmarks etc are for white 18k gold and platinum.

Now I want to find out what type of pearls and if possible, the maker. The makers initials are part of the marks on the tongue of the clasp and are the initials 'MH'.
I am trying to post images of the series of marks and the actual necklace but so far cant.

I will give it a go now again by trying to show images of the marks on the (very tiny) tongue of the clasp.

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That is an unusual clasp, never seen one like it. I can see your camera is white and that the pearls need re-stringing. They could be very nice akoya ....
did you say you have had them for about fifty years...they would have to be akoya then as freshwaters were not of such quality, but I am going to wait for the antique pearl experts to comment here as they know far more about such things than me
 
Hi Wendy - Thanks for looking, yes I guess they have been in the family for about fifty years (but could be longer).

I inherited my aunts stuff, my mothers and her mothers, and my own stuff along the way. I have boxes full of VCJ and at least 30 pearl necklaces. Most of them are the typical fifties double strand glass bead pearl with pearl like coating on the outside.

But one strand are quite rare far as I can make out - they are Roman pearls. Do you know about those? In case you dont, they are not from Rome nor from the Roman era.

I kinda think pearls are out of fashion right now so have not really paid much attention to them. I must dig out a bag full of them and take another look.

As to re-stringing; I dont know. I like the fact they are on their original stringing and it seems strong. I've been wearing them for a day or two now hoping they will give off some
kind of orient or luster when I take them off to photograph them.

Not sure I would even recognize it if they do though.

Now to dig out the bag of pearls if I can remember which box they are in..........

Kind regards



Jools
 
Hi Jools
Please take more pics! I'd like to see one of the entire necklace. the value on older akoyas varies depending on the actual beauty of the pearls, today. those do need cleaning and restringing. A clean pearl will have more luster than one that hasn't been cleaned in decades. Wearing them may not be the ticket until they are cleaned and restrung, then they will respond much better to wearing.

As for selling, do the cleanup first. Maybe our friend Wendy of Pearlesence already over there in England can help you get started. She is a VERY good re-stringer and knows pearls. I would take her advice after she sees and cleans them up and restrings them.

It may be a bit late to sell them this Xmas unless, maybe someone here sees photos of the cleaned up version!Or if you know how to sell on eBay. You will NOT get their value from a jewelers or pawn shop.

Good luck!
 
Hi Caitlin
Thanks for your input. I never thought of cleaning them. I seem to remember reading somewhere over this past week or so that they dont like being put in water, so I wonder can anyone advise me on how best to clean them ?

I am very tempted now to dunk them in some hot water and scrub away with an old toothbrush. And I've taken them off now, although they look clean to me. I come from a family who dont wear their jewels, yet nevertheless collect them.

I will indeed take some more pics of the actual necklace. I only took one and it came out blurred so binned it.

I hope maybe after you see the pics you or someone else can give me some idea of a ballpark figure. I do sell on ebay but it is really bad right now what with the economy. I'd hate to see them go for peanuts.

Thanks for the advice, much appreciated.

Kind regards


Jools in England
 
Pearls don't mind water, that's where they come from, but the silk on which they are strung doesn't like it at all..being a natural fibre it rots,e specially inside the pearl where it takes ages to dry.
and not hot water. please not hot water and scrub.
there is always dirt around - think how often you have to clean a mirror in the house - where does all that dirt come from and the pearls have been in skin with oils and craems and sweat and...
i once re-strung a farmer's wife's very much loved strand, she never took them off, even for milking. I could tell!
 
Hi Jools,
Welcome to the forum.
Your treasures really do need a good wash. Just a gentle bath in warm water with Castile soap (pure coconut oil and vegetable glycerine) and rub them between your fingers. (Please save the tooth brush for cleaning teeth and shower grout!)

For safety they should be re-strung. After 50+ years thread becomes very tired and breaks easily, plus silk thread can hold a lot of dirt/skin oil. Also the French wire coil at the ends of the necklace are most likely silver plate (showing tarnish) and should be replaced.

I would give Wendy (pearlesence) a call for help with that.

Good luck with your beautiful find. Hope that you will be able to keep and enjoy them.
Marianne
 
Hi Wendy,
Looks like we were posting at the same time and of like mind :)
 
I was talking on the phone and didn't see the brush comment until now. Ouch!. I'm glad Marianne and Wendy got here first!

If you do not knot pearls, it is easy to learn. This site is full of all the help you need to learn. It is actually quite within most people's ability to learn, if you can knit or crochet or type. We'll help you. Go look at the Lowly beader club pages to learn where to get a thread and needle and decent gimp. (Wendy has those) at a local beadshop or whereever they sell stuff like that in England. A pair of scissors is the only tool other than the needle. In fact, Wendy has a really good video on youtube on how to knot! It is the best one out there, so far. (though I don't think she needs that extra needle) Darn, I don't have the link! I'll go get it the next time I post! Put it in your signature, Wendy!
 
Make a coil of the necklace and take a nice close up. The other photos were too small and the good closeups are only of the clasp. It's almost like you're teasing us. It looks great so far. Hurry! ;)
 
Thank You

Thank You

What great information, thank you very much to everyone. I have taken some pictures of the actual necklace outside, in natural daylight. I've posted them on a black (reflective) background, a white background and a blue background. It is amazing how different they look.

The nearest the images come to the actual thing is the first and fourth, on white backgrounds. I have not tampered with the colour/contrast in any way.

Also I had not noticed that the sizes are very gradually graduated. The focal bead is larger than those at the ends. Does this graduating pattern help to date them?

The necklace measures about 21" long. There are 63 beads and it weighs 39gms
The largest bead is 8mms center front when worn. Those near the clasp are 7mms.

I have given images of very close showing the bead hole and knot which I hope helps.

Here are the images :

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Hope maybe after seeing these to find out if they are a certain type of pearl (akoya?) and whilst I know it is really difficult to say, especially in these economic times, I really would appreciate ideas of value - even massive ball park guestimates would be welcome. Are we talking $5 ? $50 ? $500 $5000 ? I honestly dont have a clue so any rough guesses welcome.

Would the value increase if they were re-strung?

I am really happy to have found this fantastic pearl resource and already have three more ready to show you. Thanks so much everyone for the friendly helpful welcome as well as the invaluable information.

Kind regards


Jools
 
My goodness Wendy, you have some patience ! It looks very complicated and being left handed I dont think I could even attempt it. But what an interesting video - great job! Thanks so much for sharing.

I watched it twice now, I think I get the knotting but what that little coil of wire does I have no clue, especially as it goes under the type of clasp you use. You must have fantastic eye sight to see those tiny holes!

Thanks again


Kind regards


Jools
 
Have you dated the clasp from the hallmark yet? I ask because until recently the proof of the metal was shown by, for example, a crown rather than 750. While 750 is indeed 18ct gold. The symbol between the MH and the 750, I cannot make out but it does not look like a year letter....? Is the final one the London Leopard? It could be.
 
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Hi Wendy - In my googling I found out that 750 has been the export mark for white 18kt gold from the Far East for some time. They coat it in platinum to stop it tarnishing and it has that mark too.
I can clearly see the MH in the first mark, and I know that is the manufacturer, but the one next to that looks to me like a huge letter M with each stroke of the M being at accute angles, rather like two V's joined up. The last mark, which is a shield with a curved base seems empty - I see no mark in it at all on any pictures.

I will have another go photographing but at this point (at least my sixth try) I'm beginning to think that I will have to rely upon the construction and the vague provenance to date it.

I see it does have those little long curls of wire on each end - French frumps? - I forgot already. So maybe that is a clue. Do you have any idea when they first started using those and are they only used on pearls ?

I just had a look on ebay and there are a few vintage akoya pearl necklaces but the prices vary wildly. Some are on auction starting at $50 others are 'Buy It Now' at $500+

If they are definitely akoya (do you think they are?) then there must be a date from which this particular type of pearl was first made. In all my reading I seem to think that Mikimoto was the first to develop this technique but others soon copied it. But now I have to find that date and work forward from that......... I was hoping to find an index of Akoya Pearl makers somewhere on Google, but nothing so far. I will carry on looking.

Goodness me, it is only half four in the afternoon and already dark. I hate these long winter nights. Amazing to see all the Christmas things already in the stores - I swear they start earlier and earlier every single year. But this is my first year back in the UK after living abroad most of my life. Feels like being dropped onto an alien planet it has changed so much.

Thanks Wendy for your ideas, views and suggestions - they really are most welcome.

Kind regards


Jools
 
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