USGL - seller jewelry-certified

Well, the certs are worthless. They are not even closely representative of actual value. I highly doubt the diamond grading is accurate as well since it is obvious no professional (at least honest professional) graded the piece in the first place. USGL is obviously a sham operation. I see no purpose of its existence other than misleading consumers. Someday I HOPE eBay will care more about what is going on there!!!
 
There is a lot of stuff to repond to on this forum and I don't know if anyone is till reading this thread but here is some info.

One person mentioned that they tried to find out some info on the USGL's domain. The information is on Network Solution's whois lookup.. the link is here: http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?whoistoken=0 This has all of the registration info about the domain. Second, the website is here: http://www.usgl.us/about.html. A physical address is on the website but I find it interesting that the website is copyrighted 2005-- however, that may only mean that they did a redesign and changed the copyright appropriately.

Enough in their favor. Here's the scoop on the USGL... Many jewelry insurance underwriters are warned to be very wary of USGL certs. Thje reason is that the certs are requested and paid for by the sellers and are items very often given inflated values in order to please the seller as the sellers are 90% of the USGL's business. Most insurance underwriters are advised to request an independant appraisal by a GIA trained gemologist. This can be pricey but worth the fee for the security of having an accurate appraisal. I believe Labtrade Laboratory is also reputable but don't take my word for that.... when in doubt, go to the GIA. Also, gemology clubs and associations might be a good source of info.

Something I noticed in the feedbacks of the seller mentioned in the first post is that he seemed to have some sort of snide answer to every negative feedback and always seemed to blame the seller for not having good vision, being crazy, etc.... this is a bad sign of someone without ethics and unwilling to take resposibility for his bad faith actions. Be wary and read the feedbacks any time you consider bidding on ebay. the anonymity of the practice of online auctions can be a breeding ground for less than honest people. Ther are honest sellers on ebay but there are also dishonest ones... trust the feedbacks and look at how the seller reponds to negative feedbacks... it's very telling.

As for Neimans, the jewelry they sell is genuine and of decent quality but it's definitely not of the quality they advertise. The USGL certs they offer are, once again, paid for by the buyer and since they need such a volume of the certs, the USGL likely overestimates the value of the items in order to keep Neiman's business. One other thing about those auctions (both live and online)... the gemstones and metals are real and the quality is so-so but one thing that allows them to sell for such low prices is that the gem setting is usually done in countries such a China where they can get the setting done for .25 per stone because there is a lot of available labor over there and the labor is very cheap. If you buy something on a Neiman's (or similar auction) for a low price, it's probably only worth that price.

Now for pearls--- if an ebay seller is selling a strand of Akoya pearls with an estimated retail value of 4,000.00 for cheap (I've seen a lot of them for like 89-100.00) be wary. Akoya pearls are expensive for a very good and unfudgeable reason.... growing a pearl, even when the growth is stimulated by man, is a natural process. oysters are not machines that just spit out perfectly matched sets of pearls on demand. because the growth process is still a natural one, it is not easy to get 30 well matched pearls even if you get a crop of a thousand. It is for this reason that a well-perfectly matched set of pearls is so expensive (and don't forget that jewelers mark up items too). Lately, China has begun growing Akoya pearls using a different process which is still natural but they do take a short cut to growing. However, these pearls are nearly indistiguishable from genuine Japanese Akoya pearls and are mitigating pearl prices because China has such a huge labor force and can grow hundreds of thousands of pearls. This is a similar situation to the replacement of natural diamonds by Moissanite.... I would not be ashamed to own a moissanite gemstone--- it is so similar to a diamond in every repect that it takes a trained Gemologist to tell the difference. many of the lower priced pearls on the market are the Chinese grown Akoya style pearls--- they are good quality but not true Akoyas and will still cost you some money.

Hope this helps y'all! Just be careful--- there are alot of honest, goos sellers on ebay too and if you pay attention, you will find them.
 
Welcome to the forum, Nieriel.

I completely agree with you regarding the appraisals from USGL, the Labtrade Lab reports, however, are in the same grade for me - at least when referring to pearl reports. I do not believe either labs see all the pearls they prepare the reports for, and if they do, they are certainly not qualified to grade pearls - no matter their certifications - their reports show a strong element of incompetence or straight out dishonesty.

You are incorrect, however, in your description of the Chinese Akoya culturing process. The pearls produced in China are indeed Akoya pearls, and they use the same process as the Japanese. The final product is identical as well. This is why Japan imports as many Chinese Akoya pearls as they produce themselves. The oysters are the same, the nucleation techniques are the same, the nuclei are the same (with both sides cutting corners on this), and the post harvest processes are the same. Please tell us the "short cut" you are referring to in their culturing process. With the high use of hormones (not so in China), I can only see short cuts taken in Japan. And this comes from someone who has visited farms many, many times in both countries, and buys Akoyas in both countries.

I am sorry for being so blunt, and I do agree with most of your post, but this sentence is completely inaccurate and only one a Japanese grower would want you to believe:
"many of the lower priced pearls on the market are the Chinese grown Akoya style pearls--- they are good quality but not true Akoyas and will still cost you some money."
So is this a soft sell on Japanese Akoya? Or do you actually believe this is the truth? Be honest. If you are a Japanese seller just let us know. We respect and accept all viewpoints to the forum. It just sounds to me like you know your stuff, and I cannot fathom someone in the industry actually believing this. Even the Japanese, who wish it were true, do not claim this.
 
I concur with JShepherd. What do you mean by Akoya-style? That makes no sense whatsoever. That is like saying the Tahitian pearls coming from French Polynesia are the only Tahitian pearls, those coming from the Cook Islands are Tahitian-like pearls. It does not make sense.
I think you should read the forum and learn more about pearls before making statements like that. Also, try to find anything, in any industry publication, to back up the statement. You will not find it. Do you know why? It is 100% incorrect, and no pearl professional would ever have that view unless they really do not know pearls.
 
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