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GIE Perles de Tahiti is Done
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So, the 'king' is dead... long live what?
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Tahiti Black Pearl Producers Form New Association
Tahiti Black Pearl Producers Form New Association
Tuesday: December 09, 2008
(Tahitipresse)
Four major Tahiti cultured pearl associations claiming to represent "more than 80 percent" of Tahiti's pearl exports have agreed to regroup and form a new professional organization.
Monday's media communiqu? announcing the regrouping made no mention of the former GIE Perles de Tahiti, a 15-year-old non-profit economic interest group for the promotion of Tahitian pearls.
However, the four associations that met last Thursday to regroup were represented on the GIE's board. The four associations' presidents are Robert Wan (SPPP), Philippe Chenne (SEPT), Georges Mataoa (SPMPPF) and Elisabeth Moe (GIE Poe o Tahiti Nui). Wan, head of the Robert Wan Group, is the world's biggest producer of Tahitian cultured pearls.
"The aim is to pool resources and actions to better defend the interests of all pearl producers, to better market and promote a quality product at the international level," according to the communiqu?.
"Despite the global economic crisis, Tahiti's pearl, a luxury product, has a role to play on the international scene. This protocol will stand out as the hope of a profession united and determined to meet the challenges of globalization," the communiqu? said.
The GIE Perles de Tahiti went out of business last month after the Tong Sang government eliminated the Tahitian pearl export tax for the last three months of this year. A part of that tax financed the GIE's operations, which focused on promoting Tahitian cultured pearls and byproducts in such major overseas markets as the U.S.A., Europe and Japan.
However, the Conseil d'Etat (Council of State) in Paris annulled the "country law" adopted by the French Polynesia Assembly in August to eliminate the pearl export tax. The ruling was based on a technicality?Tuamotu pearl producer Michel Yip should not have participated in the assembly's vote on the tax
Tahiti Black Pearl Producers Form New Association
Tuesday: December 09, 2008
(Tahitipresse)
Four major Tahiti cultured pearl associations claiming to represent "more than 80 percent" of Tahiti's pearl exports have agreed to regroup and form a new professional organization.
Monday's media communiqu? announcing the regrouping made no mention of the former GIE Perles de Tahiti, a 15-year-old non-profit economic interest group for the promotion of Tahitian pearls.
However, the four associations that met last Thursday to regroup were represented on the GIE's board. The four associations' presidents are Robert Wan (SPPP), Philippe Chenne (SEPT), Georges Mataoa (SPMPPF) and Elisabeth Moe (GIE Poe o Tahiti Nui). Wan, head of the Robert Wan Group, is the world's biggest producer of Tahitian cultured pearls.
"The aim is to pool resources and actions to better defend the interests of all pearl producers, to better market and promote a quality product at the international level," according to the communiqu?.
"Despite the global economic crisis, Tahiti's pearl, a luxury product, has a role to play on the international scene. This protocol will stand out as the hope of a profession united and determined to meet the challenges of globalization," the communiqu? said.
The GIE Perles de Tahiti went out of business last month after the Tong Sang government eliminated the Tahitian pearl export tax for the last three months of this year. A part of that tax financed the GIE's operations, which focused on promoting Tahitian cultured pearls and byproducts in such major overseas markets as the U.S.A., Europe and Japan.
However, the Conseil d'Etat (Council of State) in Paris annulled the "country law" adopted by the French Polynesia Assembly in August to eliminate the pearl export tax. The ruling was based on a technicality?Tuamotu pearl producer Michel Yip should not have participated in the assembly's vote on the tax
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GIE PdT is not quite dead yet. They're claiming their share of the tax now that it is no longer suspended, but I'm sure the money's long gone...
If the GIE PdT does get the money, they will no longer be bankrupt, but very much alive again.
Just for info, Gaston Flosse, former president of FP and current Senator is the one who filed for the canceling of the tax suspension.
Since the cancellation of the law voted to suspend the export tax (for the Tahitian pearls since the 1st october 2008), 5 days ago, there is a new question that is floating in the air.
Will the GIE Perles de Tahiti (promotion association) come back?
It is said in the Tahitipresse.pf website and the tahitian newspaper, that the GIE is asking for 4 millions us dollars and also wish to ?survive? to his prematurity closing.
But really, the GIE PDT has been disolved by the tahitian court of trade.
I don't know what is the real issue.
Also, I am laughing; there is 2 new groups in Tahiti.
If people have read carefully the recent Tahitian newspapers, they should notice 2 new groups around the pearls business:
The first group is lead by Robert Wan and they said that they represent 80% of the pearl business (or 80% of export share).
The second group is led by Alfred Martin (ex-president of GIE PDT and president of GIE Poeravanui) and he announced that his groups represent 80% of the pearl producers (or 80% of the farmers- active or inactive)
So my first conclusion should be that 20% of the farmers are producing 80% of the Tahitian pearls? that could make sense ? but I have to precise that in the 2 groups, they are also pearls brokers?
So it looks more like 2 groups representing some virtual members that could move from one group to the other and back? what a nice cloud? what a nice mess? just a way to organize a cold war between farmers and pearls brokers.
Pearl production is actually a nice mirror of the mess you could find in the Tahitian government. Oh, also, where is our pearl minister? He is definitely silent? no ideas, no speeches? like his political strategy. Bravo.
Ok, I will stop complaining. The facts are here? the customs is now applying again the tax. Several internationals buyers have canceled their new pearls acquisitions? So time for a new recession in the pearl business?
Very soon, I should talk about how the pearl industry in Tahiti would decrease by at least 30%...
See you.
Marama
Will the GIE Perles de Tahiti (promotion association) come back?
It is said in the Tahitipresse.pf website and the tahitian newspaper, that the GIE is asking for 4 millions us dollars and also wish to ?survive? to his prematurity closing.
But really, the GIE PDT has been disolved by the tahitian court of trade.
I don't know what is the real issue.
Also, I am laughing; there is 2 new groups in Tahiti.
If people have read carefully the recent Tahitian newspapers, they should notice 2 new groups around the pearls business:
The first group is lead by Robert Wan and they said that they represent 80% of the pearl business (or 80% of export share).
The second group is led by Alfred Martin (ex-president of GIE PDT and president of GIE Poeravanui) and he announced that his groups represent 80% of the pearl producers (or 80% of the farmers- active or inactive)
So my first conclusion should be that 20% of the farmers are producing 80% of the Tahitian pearls? that could make sense ? but I have to precise that in the 2 groups, they are also pearls brokers?
So it looks more like 2 groups representing some virtual members that could move from one group to the other and back? what a nice cloud? what a nice mess? just a way to organize a cold war between farmers and pearls brokers.
Pearl production is actually a nice mirror of the mess you could find in the Tahitian government. Oh, also, where is our pearl minister? He is definitely silent? no ideas, no speeches? like his political strategy. Bravo.
Ok, I will stop complaining. The facts are here? the customs is now applying again the tax. Several internationals buyers have canceled their new pearls acquisitions? So time for a new recession in the pearl business?
Very soon, I should talk about how the pearl industry in Tahiti would decrease by at least 30%...
See you.
Marama
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Good question Pattye and one I'd like to know too.
Through all this though, what has escaped mention (unless it was mentioned but escaped me - entirely possible) is that they are now talking about going retroactive with the tax so anyone who exported anything since October 1st might be finding a fat bill in the mail. This just completely blows my mind. Maybe us farmers can group together and file for harassment. Stay tuned as the pearl world turns.
Through all this though, what has escaped mention (unless it was mentioned but escaped me - entirely possible) is that they are now talking about going retroactive with the tax so anyone who exported anything since October 1st might be finding a fat bill in the mail. This just completely blows my mind. Maybe us farmers can group together and file for harassment. Stay tuned as the pearl world turns.
Pattye (and Josh),
I am actually a relative of a pearl farmer? Since my youngest age, I started to spend some time with him during my holidays. He is not a big pearl farmer, but he taught me his life, his job and his passion. Pearl farming was a great opportunity for him and lot of people from the Tuamotu Island. Without any education, my uncle was able to win his life very well and he was generous with his family and friends? Since that time, I felt in love of the Tahitian pearl? I just want to stay anonymous, so this way, nobody would be able to bother my uncle. Josh, I don?t know you, but I think that you share the same passion then me? you are making a great job.
Cheers,
Marama
I am actually a relative of a pearl farmer? Since my youngest age, I started to spend some time with him during my holidays. He is not a big pearl farmer, but he taught me his life, his job and his passion. Pearl farming was a great opportunity for him and lot of people from the Tuamotu Island. Without any education, my uncle was able to win his life very well and he was generous with his family and friends? Since that time, I felt in love of the Tahitian pearl? I just want to stay anonymous, so this way, nobody would be able to bother my uncle. Josh, I don?t know you, but I think that you share the same passion then me? you are making a great job.
Cheers,
Marama
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Hi Josh. Retrospective tax is unlawful.
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Tahiti Black Pearl Group Pushes For $4.5M Payment
Tahiti Black Pearl Group Pushes For $4.5M Payment
Tahiti Black Pearl Group Pushes For $4.5M Payment
Thursday: December 11, 2008
(Tahitipresse)
The GIE Perles de Tahiti, which is appealing its liquidation, now wants the Tong Sang government to reimburse it for its share of the suspended Tahiti cultured pearl export tax that was revoked by the Conseil d'Etat in Paris.
The GIE, or economic interest group, is claiming its share of the uncollected tax amounts to nearly 400 million French Pacific francs (US$4.5m/?3.35m), according to a media communiqu? from Alfred Martin, the GIE's board chairman.
By recovering such a sum of money, "the GIE Perles de Tahiti, obviously, will no longer be bankrupt, and its masterminded destruction will be doomed to failure," Martin said in his statement.
The Tong Sang government suspended the pearl export tax for the last three months of this year. The 15-year-old non-profit GIE claims that without the tax it was unable to remain in business because that money was what helped allow it to promote the Tahiti cultured pearl and its byproducts throughout the world.
The money collected by long-existing tax was split up on a 60 percent-40 percent basis, with the larger share going to the government. The GIE claims that its share of the pearl export tax represented 95 percent of its financial resources.
Last Friday, the Conseil d'Etat (Council of State), France's Supreme Court for administrative justice, revoked the export tax suspension vote in August by the French Polynesia Assembly. The council ruled that the vote involved a conflict of interest because Michel Yip, a Tuamotu pearl producer, was present when the voting occurred. Yip is also a former pearl minister in a previous government.
The Perles de Tahiti's liquidation appeal case is due to be heard on Dec. 17 by the Papeete Mixed Commercial Court, which ordered the GIE's liquidation on Nov. 24. Martin said he also has initiated proceedings to obtain the annulment of the GIE's liquidation, which is due for a ruling on Jan. 22.
Martin said he based his claim for the 400 million French Pacific franc reimbursement on the government's reported Tahiti cultured pearl exports during October, the first month that the export tax was not collected.
The government's Council of Ministers issued a media communiqu? last month reporting that the exports of loose Tahitian pearls increased 84 percent during October.
Martin's communiqu? said the GIE represented and defended the interests of "about 80 percent of pearl producers" in French Polynesia. That involves "Polynesian families who have only the production of their pearls and mother-of-pearl shells to live on in their atolls," he said.
Those families refuse "to depend on a few large producers and wholesalers looking to become the only operators in the market and who, to that end, had requested and obtained the" pearl export tax suspension, Martin charged.
Meanwhile, four major Tahiti cultured pearl associations claiming to represent "more than 80 percent" of Tahiti's pearl exports have agreed to regroup and form a new professional organization.
Monday's media communiqu? announcing the regrouping made no mention of the former GIE Perles de Tahiti. However, the four associations that met last Thursday to regroup were represented on the GIE's board.
The four associations' presidents are Robert Wan (SPPP), Philippe Chenne (SEPT), Georges Mataoa (SPMPPF) and Elisabeth Moe (GIE Poe o Tahiti Nui). Wan, head of the Robert Wan Group, is the world's biggest producer of Tahitian cultured pearls
Tahiti Black Pearl Group Pushes For $4.5M Payment
Tahiti Black Pearl Group Pushes For $4.5M Payment
Thursday: December 11, 2008
(Tahitipresse)
The GIE Perles de Tahiti, which is appealing its liquidation, now wants the Tong Sang government to reimburse it for its share of the suspended Tahiti cultured pearl export tax that was revoked by the Conseil d'Etat in Paris.
The GIE, or economic interest group, is claiming its share of the uncollected tax amounts to nearly 400 million French Pacific francs (US$4.5m/?3.35m), according to a media communiqu? from Alfred Martin, the GIE's board chairman.
By recovering such a sum of money, "the GIE Perles de Tahiti, obviously, will no longer be bankrupt, and its masterminded destruction will be doomed to failure," Martin said in his statement.
The Tong Sang government suspended the pearl export tax for the last three months of this year. The 15-year-old non-profit GIE claims that without the tax it was unable to remain in business because that money was what helped allow it to promote the Tahiti cultured pearl and its byproducts throughout the world.
The money collected by long-existing tax was split up on a 60 percent-40 percent basis, with the larger share going to the government. The GIE claims that its share of the pearl export tax represented 95 percent of its financial resources.
Last Friday, the Conseil d'Etat (Council of State), France's Supreme Court for administrative justice, revoked the export tax suspension vote in August by the French Polynesia Assembly. The council ruled that the vote involved a conflict of interest because Michel Yip, a Tuamotu pearl producer, was present when the voting occurred. Yip is also a former pearl minister in a previous government.
The Perles de Tahiti's liquidation appeal case is due to be heard on Dec. 17 by the Papeete Mixed Commercial Court, which ordered the GIE's liquidation on Nov. 24. Martin said he also has initiated proceedings to obtain the annulment of the GIE's liquidation, which is due for a ruling on Jan. 22.
Martin said he based his claim for the 400 million French Pacific franc reimbursement on the government's reported Tahiti cultured pearl exports during October, the first month that the export tax was not collected.
The government's Council of Ministers issued a media communiqu? last month reporting that the exports of loose Tahitian pearls increased 84 percent during October.
Martin's communiqu? said the GIE represented and defended the interests of "about 80 percent of pearl producers" in French Polynesia. That involves "Polynesian families who have only the production of their pearls and mother-of-pearl shells to live on in their atolls," he said.
Those families refuse "to depend on a few large producers and wholesalers looking to become the only operators in the market and who, to that end, had requested and obtained the" pearl export tax suspension, Martin charged.
Meanwhile, four major Tahiti cultured pearl associations claiming to represent "more than 80 percent" of Tahiti's pearl exports have agreed to regroup and form a new professional organization.
Monday's media communiqu? announcing the regrouping made no mention of the former GIE Perles de Tahiti. However, the four associations that met last Thursday to regroup were represented on the GIE's board.
The four associations' presidents are Robert Wan (SPPP), Philippe Chenne (SEPT), Georges Mataoa (SPMPPF) and Elisabeth Moe (GIE Poe o Tahiti Nui). Wan, head of the Robert Wan Group, is the world's biggest producer of Tahitian cultured pearls
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If that was the case in French Polynesia, they wouldn't even be discussing it and starting petitions.
I wonder where the newly created GIE PPNPP which claims 400 farmers as members is hiding, we haven't heard from them recently...
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ok here's a good one.
Most of you remember that a law was voted by the local Assembly last August in Tahiti. This law suspended the DSPE - the tax on exported pearls - from the 1st of October until the 31st of December 2008.
One of the representants of the assembly who voted in favor of this law was Michel Yip, a pearl farmer. The opposition asked the State Council to cancel the suspension, on the basis that the pearl farmer should not have voted the law because he had stakes in the industry.
In the meantime, pearl farmers started to sell, and traders to export the pearls at a much lower price and in much higher volume than before, due to the tax suspension.
This law put the GIE Perles de Tahiti (in charge of the promotion of the said pearls) in a difficult situation: most if not all of its revenues came from this tax. Without revenues, it was soon unable to pay its debts, and was declared bankrupt by the local courthouse.
Then late December, the State Council ruled against the law, declaring that Michel Yip being a pearl farmer, he should not have voted. This meant that the traders and pearl farmers were supposed to pay the tax for all pearls that had been exported since 1st of October. It also meant that the GIE PdT was theorically no longer bankrupt; the GIE therefore filed against the decision by the courthouse.
Most pearm farmers were not too comfortable with the situation to say the least. The petitioned and pressured the Assembly to vote the suspension again, Which they did, retroactively, from 1st Oct 2008 until December 2009.
But wait!
While this happened, the GIE was declared not bankrupt for the reason explained above. But because of the last law, it's technically bankrupt again.
But wait!
Some of the representants at the Assembly who voted the new suspension are pearl farmers, and even if one of the leaders of the opposition voted for the law (against all odds), there are good chances that someone in the opposition will appeal to the State Court... which would bring us back to the beginning of the story.
Tahitians are becoming better at French politics than the French themselves!
Most of you remember that a law was voted by the local Assembly last August in Tahiti. This law suspended the DSPE - the tax on exported pearls - from the 1st of October until the 31st of December 2008.
One of the representants of the assembly who voted in favor of this law was Michel Yip, a pearl farmer. The opposition asked the State Council to cancel the suspension, on the basis that the pearl farmer should not have voted the law because he had stakes in the industry.
In the meantime, pearl farmers started to sell, and traders to export the pearls at a much lower price and in much higher volume than before, due to the tax suspension.
This law put the GIE Perles de Tahiti (in charge of the promotion of the said pearls) in a difficult situation: most if not all of its revenues came from this tax. Without revenues, it was soon unable to pay its debts, and was declared bankrupt by the local courthouse.
Then late December, the State Council ruled against the law, declaring that Michel Yip being a pearl farmer, he should not have voted. This meant that the traders and pearl farmers were supposed to pay the tax for all pearls that had been exported since 1st of October. It also meant that the GIE PdT was theorically no longer bankrupt; the GIE therefore filed against the decision by the courthouse.
Most pearm farmers were not too comfortable with the situation to say the least. The petitioned and pressured the Assembly to vote the suspension again, Which they did, retroactively, from 1st Oct 2008 until December 2009.
But wait!
While this happened, the GIE was declared not bankrupt for the reason explained above. But because of the last law, it's technically bankrupt again.
But wait!
Some of the representants at the Assembly who voted the new suspension are pearl farmers, and even if one of the leaders of the opposition voted for the law (against all odds), there are good chances that someone in the opposition will appeal to the State Court... which would bring us back to the beginning of the story.
Tahitians are becoming better at French politics than the French themselves!
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Do these pearl farmers who are voting and not declaring an interest not face any penalty?Am I thinking dull english law and not exciting unpredictable french here?
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The most probable penalty would be their dismissal; but that's not going to happen. The situation is bad with local economy at its lowest, the country's budget for 2009 has not been voted yet and there are good chances that 2009 will see a not-so-new president (that would be its 10th change since 2004, with only three different presidents).
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from now on please call me the Pythia.
Effisk, I thought you were a GUY.
Not some chick high on ethylene gas fumes and sitting in a caldron on a tripod.Slraep
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effisk
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gotcha. I KNEW you couldn't refrain from making that exact comment! (less the caldron and the tripod)Effisk, I thought you were a GUY.
Slraep
Posted this one just for you
gotcha. I KNEW you couldn't refrain from making that exact comment! (less the caldron and the tripod)
Posted this one just for you
Note in the edit: I added the cauldron and the tripod as an afterthought. Freaky! Then it is true, what SHE wrote about your ability to SEE!
Slraep
