Abalone Gone "Buggy"

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I too, have come across just a few solid natural abalone blisters. Up until about a month ago I had seen only a total of four, of which I own three, but a short while ago I acquired a couple more shells which have some blisters that may be the same kind. They are a puzzle because they don't seem to be directly related to any parasite--at least none that bore through the shell from the outside. I've been referring to them as "berry blisters" because they seem to come grouped in small clusters like a rasberry. I'll see if I can dig them out, snap some pictures and post them in the next few days.

J. Marcus
http://www.flyrodjewelry.com/home.html
 
Pearlover2: Your work is marvelous (as well as your taste in Tahitians!). And Eyris Blue Mab? is a beautiful product that has proven it can stand on its own merits.

JMarcus: Look forward to the photos, that's intriguing.

Caitlin: Thanks!
 
Here's my first idea: Put cultured Paua pearl under "Cultured Pearls"; put natural abalone under "Natural pearls".

Or put both under "other pearls" and distinguish the cultured ones by adding "cultured" to the name. That forum has many fewer threads than the first 2 mentioned.

I just remembered that the only two times Gina Latendresse (from the highly respected American Pearl COMPANY a producer of American cultured fw pearls and purveyer of all kinds of natural pearls, has posted here was to remind us to always use "cultured" in the name of the pearl. That is how I came up with CFWP (cultured freshwater pearls-- though I suppose it should be CCFWP (Chinese cultured fw pearls......:D)

It is very cumbersome to say "cultured akoya" or "cultured SSP", etc- every time and since there hardly is such a thing as natural versions of those pearls anymore, we are not causing a lot of confusion by doing that--yet that is what both the CIBJO and the American version (GIA?) and Gina say you must do.

I think that was the compromise that Leonard Rosenthal ended up (back in the 1920's) with when he took cultured pearls to court in France to say they weren't pearls at all, just pearl-plated beads.
 
Here's my first idea: Put cultured Paua pearl under "Cultured Pearls"; put natural abalone under "Natural pearls".
Here's the dilemma:

There is no such thing as a Cultured Paua Pearl, although Eryis Blue is famously working on it. Acc CIBJO, mab?s are not pearls, although they are defined within the regulations of the CIBJO Pearl Book. Then we must distinguish 'assembled cultured blisters' (Eyris Blue) from natural assembled (or otherwise) blisters, vis a vis JMarcus and NZ Natural Pearls.

Some define pearls as the product of nacreous bivalves. Abalone is a gastropod. Calcareous concretions from gastropods (melo-melo, conch) are thereby disqualified from pearldom on two counts.

To me nacre/mother of pearl is the overriding consideration, and should place Abalone among the natural nacreous pearl family, extracting it from among the 'other' curiosities (such as our Nagasari Tree pearl!).

Natural blisters (assembled or otherwise) would go along with the naturals, and Paua Mab? Assembled Cultured Blisters would be best in Cultured Pearls, where most of the existing threads with MABE in their title are currently located.

The Abalone Police would be sure to help keep things straight.

JMarcus and NZ Natural Pearls care to chime in?
 
Eyris Blue mab?s 'Paua Pearls' (or any kind of pearls, for that matter) is clearly an unfair trade practice as defined by CIBJO.

I was being sloppy- I stand corrected. Since Abalone mabes are cultured, they should always have "cultured" in the description.


Abalone is a gastropod. That destroys one of the two points in your given definition - pearls are from nacreous bivalves. If conch and melo melo are neither nacreous or bivalves they go in there, but abalone also goes in there because they aren't bivalves, though they are nacreous.

Since the Other Pearls forum is already mostly dominated by abalone nacreous concretions and cultured Abalone Mabes: it even has abalone in the description-- I go with the designers of the forum and elect to use it for abalone too.
 
In my prior post I resolved that abalone be elevated into the natural pearl category as a rare (unique to my knowledge) nacreous gastropod, having first volunteered the bivalve definition.

I did also propose to extract 'Abalone' from the description of 'The Other Pearls' forum.

Just to be clear!
 
Hi Steve
Although I have the greatest respect for the precison (and poetry)of your use of language, I just want to make it clear that I agree with Jeremy or whoever put abalone in the "Other Pearls".

After all, that forum does have "pearls" in the title, even though that doesn't really apply to conch, whelk and melo melo and which are neither nacreous nor bivalves - "quahog pearls" and tridacna pearls, which are bivalves, but not nacreous and abalone which is nacreous, but not a bivalve.

They are all exceptions to the "nacreous bivalve" definiton, yet will always be called "pearls" by the public, no matter what.
 
Caitlin,

Good post (especially the second paragraph!). In pressing the matter some important issues have been exposed, and hopefully a deeper appreciation as well.
 
Eyris Blue Pearls are cultured mabe paua pearls. At least, according to me! ;)
 
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Eyris Blue Pearls are cultured mabe paua pearls?

CIBJO and the FTC regulate the naming of pearls in regard to commerce. If you aren't selling it, you are free to call it whatever you want.
Since Eyris is in fact commercializing its product, then let them call it 'Eyris Blue Mab? Pearls.'

I deeply regret what may appear to be the denigration of a rare and beautiful product, but there must be a greater distinction between this genre and pearls?be they cultured or natural.

And my (to repeat) Libertarian alter ego is aghast at my own use of CIBJO for support.
 
LOL Steve, you libertarian! Eyris is not trying to pull a fast one on people, or confuse people into thinking that they are whole pearls, so I don't see the problem with the name. Besides, Eyris Blue Pearls does sound elegant, doesn't it?

I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree and enjoy the ride. ;)
 
Blaire,

I must assume that we do agree that it was the inappropriate and misleading use of the phrase 'paua pearls' by a trade member when referring to the mab?s that began this exchange.
 
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It's interesting where this thread has lead--especially since it started out with a reference to a natural abalone "free" pearl. Nonetheless, I think that this is a useful and informative discussion that has given me, and probably others as well, much food for thought.

At this point I will timidly weigh in on the subject. Having thought long and hard on the distinctions, (My head is starting to hurt. . . ) I'm inclined to look at them from what I think is more of a "structural" point of view. The object at hand and of value is the Pearl (or concretion) is it not? The mollusc producing it, though of much significance, is not the valued component. Further, it seems that molluscs of both univalves and bivalves produce species that produce nacreous pearls as well as species that produce calcereous concretions. From a functional point of view, the difference in appearance to the eye seems to be one of pearls that are (1) irridescent and can show a play of color that is determined both by by light refraction, a quality that seems to be enhanced by a rather thinly-layered structure as well as pigmentation and (2) concretions that, though often of great beauty, are not noted for the quality of irridescence. In this case, I would have to say that form or structure is more of a determining factor than source. I lean in the direction of thinking that the only truly important distinction here is one of nacreous vs. calcereous concretions. Perhaps they should simply be considered as the two separate categories of pearls.

As for the issue of blisters vs. "free" pearls: First I think that one must arrive at an over-riding definition of what the qualities defining a pearl are. My understanding, perhaps mistaken, has been that first, a pearl is an object produced by a mollusc (?--any other contenders of note?) to cover and protect itself from an irritant. Also, as has been noted earlier in this thread, it seems that a pearl must be convex on the whole. Now it seems that a further distinction could be made as to whether the object is attached to and/or a part of a shell. However, my reading on the subject leads me to conclude that both historically and structurally this distinction is not so clear. Some years back I read a lengthy and supposedly authoritative book on the subject of pearls. I think--though am not positive--that it was "The Book of the Pearl" by Kunz and Stevenson. It seems that this book gave at least one, if not more, examples of large and valuable free pearls that presented as blisters. However, by a process of peeling back layers of nacre on the inside of the shell, it was found that under layers of the supposed blister, there was a free pearl that had developed first and then apparently became attached to the shell and covered, resulting in what seemed to be a blister. To further muddy the waters, I have read that the huge and valuable Arco Valley Pearl, which went on sale recently for several million dollars, is suspected to have been attached to the shell when discovered and might well have qualified as a blister. Now where does the distinction between blisters and free pearls leave that one? I find that I am leaning towards specifying blisters as pearls, though perhaps a subcatagory of pearls--especially since reading above that CIBJO is an organization heavily weighted by commercial pearl interests. I am always suspicious of attempts to "self police" when financial considerations are involved. It so often leads to nothing more noble than "He who has the gold makes the rules."

J Marcus
http://www.flyrodjewelry.com/home.html
 
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To the non-technical, it matters not whether blister or whole - beauty drives desire. ;)
 
JMarcus, thanks for the comments. Really my basic interest here is to determine how we must refer to natural abalone pearls from Haliotus Iris, if the industry is willing to accept the phrase 'paua pearls' for mab?.

Should we always use a qualifier: Natural Paua Pearls, Natural New Zealand Abalone Pearls, Freeform Paua Pearls, etc? It's odd as the shoe to this point has always been on the other foot.

Natural blisters offer the intriguing possibility of being all-nacre, or?as JMarcus related?containing a pearl within.
 
Interesting discussion.

The term "pearl" with no qualifier only means a natural pearl, whether blister or free. All cultured pearls must use the word "cultured" in their designations no matter what mollusk is used to culture them.

On this forum, we almost always fail to use the word "cultured" for any kind of cultured pearl, but that is the only correct way to do it.

LINK quote by Gina LaTendresse of the American Pearl COMPANY
I am grateful to read your correct explanation of "Keshi pearls". Many in our industry do not have the same view of keshi and/or freshwater tissue nucleated cultured pearls AKA "freshwater pearls". It is very clearly stated by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) that a pearl (natural pearl) is a calcareous concretion which has not been caused or induced by humans. "Keshi pearls" are a bi-product of pearl culture. "Freshwater pearls" are cultured pearls whether they are nucleated with a shell nuclei or tissue graft. I have added quotes around the terms "keshi pearls" and "freshwater pearls", because the FTC clearly states the following: "It is unfair or deceptive to use the word "pearl" to describe, identify, or refer to a cultured pearl unless it is immediately preceded, with equal conspicuousness, by the word "cultured" or "cultivated," or by some other word or phrase of like meaning, so as to indicate definitely and clearly that the product is not a pearl."
Translation: "Keshi pearl" is correctly identified as keshi cultured pearl. "Freshwater pearl" is correctly identified as freshwater cultured pearl. "Akoya pearl" is correcty identified as Akoya cultured pearl. And so on with all pearls that are cultured around the world. I do acknowledge that adding the word cultured to all the varieties of cultured pearls becomes excessive when writing or speaking about pearls, however, it is the correct way. Pearls created by mother nature were here first. And as a dealer of natural pearls, I reinforce the use of this terminology.


Sooo, the FTC has no legal say in New Zealand, but natural pearl dealers and owners would prefer that cultured pearls be designated as such.
 
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The term "pearl" with no qualifier only means a natural pearl, whether blister or free.
I'll continue the discussion with questions regarding two current posts from another thread:

https://www.pearl-guide.com/forum/33179-post12.html

https://www.pearl-guide.com/forum/33180-post13.html

Is this an innocent and harmless usage by professionals who supposedly know better, or is it that mab? from NZ is considered a game with its own rules? Has the marketing by Eyris Blue been so successful as to persuade those normally skeptical and critical among us to look the other way? Does Douglas from Guaymas refer to his P. Sterna mab?s as 'pearls' (cultured or otherwise)?
 
The unfortunate insertion of the cultured mabes into the natural paua pearl thread has been pointed out and the poster knows not to do it again.

I think everyone has done a terrific job up until now and should be congratulated. ;)
 
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