Pinna Nobilis Pearls!?

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19BoKi96

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Hello guys,
My grandpa gave me some old pearls from pinna nobilis (wing shell) he collected in the 70's when it wasn't prohibited.
I have a lot of pearls, most of them are silver, some are brown and some are even red or yellow.
I didn't measure them yet but I would say most of them are 2-4mm in diameter and a brown one is even approx. 10-14mm.
I don't know what to do with them and I know next to nothing about pearls, so I have some questions.
Are they worth anything?
The big brown one looks strange, is this even a pearl?

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Thank you for the answer
 
Hello guys,
My grandpa gave me some old pearls from pinna nobilis (wing shell) he collected in the 70's when it wasn't prohibited.
I have a lot of pearls, most of them are silver, some are brown and some are even red or yellow.
I didn't measure them yet but I would say most of them are 2-4mm in diameter and a brown one is even approx. 10-14mm.
I don't know what to do with them and I know next to nothing about pearls, so I have some questions.
Are they worth anything?
The big brown one looks strange, is this even a pearl?

Thank you for the answer

I'm not sure what the large one is either. My first thought was a rejected nucleus, but the size seems big for pen shells.

Otherwise, you have a few pearls that present as natural. Most in the image are mature or over mature, as they appear nacreous. In nature and pen shells, it takes a minimum of four or five years of growth to form that structure.

A large percentage of pearls harvested from pen shells are known to crack spontaneously weeks, months and even years later. Good news though, given the age of these pearls that's unlikely to occur. Are there any cracked ones in the clutch?

The images support the provenance, but more information is always encouraged, if possible. Area of harvest, harvester history and other pertinent information is useful.

As to value. Natural pearls are valued and collectible, although pen pearls fall into a medium category. Not rare or highly prized, nor worthless either. There are ten grade points to consider. The same as cultured pearls with the addition of translucency and flame pattern. Matches also add value. Merits double while demerits half the score. A favorable report from an accredited lab would support origin and add value.

It's all but impossible to appraise value from a single photograph. Please post more.
 
Thanks for the replies.
The pearls were collected in the adriatic sea in the middle of the croatian coast. My grandpa used to sell these pearls for a good price. I know other persons who even lived from selling these pearls.
There are a lot more of them, they are all hidden in the cellar of my grandpa since decades. Some of them have cracks, mostly the orange and brown ones. I threw the broken ones away as they have no purpose anymore I think.
Here are some more of them
Two round black pearls have a silver spot on them and one is half silver half brown (the big one with the irregular shape)

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Thanks for the replies.
The pearls were collected in the adriatic sea in the middle of the croatian coast. My grandpa used to sell these pearls for a good price. I know other persons who even lived from selling these pearls.

A very interesting history of the origin of these pearls. I'm intrigued to other stories you'd share with the group.

There are a lot more of them, they are all hidden in the cellar of my grandpa since decades. Some of them have cracks, mostly the orange and brown ones. I threw the broken ones away as they have no purpose anymore I think.
Here are some more of them
Two round black pearls have a silver spot on them and one is half silver half brown (the big one with the irregular shape)

Broken pearls have some scientific value. Scraps and fragments can be analyzed more effectively some times and there's no need to destroy an otherwise entire pearl. Some can be polished flat for fitting in bezels. Please don't discard any more.

The latest image posted undoubtedly supports pearls from pen shells. The clutch also presents with structural growth in all age groups from juvenile to senescent. The highest incidence of cracking occurs in the amber colored group, where the protein content itself (polysaccharides) crystalizes into non-orthorhombic forms. This creates inclusions and fractures.

In other species, that level of cracking is rare.

The species is supported. There are some near matches. There are some alluring solitaires. The clutch is seasoned... for lack of a better term as far as relative humidity is concerned and you appear to have considerable knowledge of the chain of custody.

All reasonable value adds. Again, medium value.

You have a terrific collection, thank you for sharing it with us.
 
My grandpa told me a lot of stories about them. He said he has hundrets of them stored. If you want to, I can ask him for permission, to search the other ones and upload more photos!? His house is not far away and I can visit him whenever I want to
 
Yes, please, more photos and more stories! You have a large audience of pearl lovers here from all over the world. You can help preserve this special piece of history shared by your Grandpa. Please let your Grandpa know how much we appreciate your sharing all this with us.

By what process were these pearls collected?

How did they go about selling them?
 
My grandpa used to dive for them on a single breath of air. He had little equipment. When he spotted a big wing shell, he submerged and pulled it out with gloves to propect his fingers of the razor sharp edges. On the surface he opened the shells by cutting through the muscle, which is holding the two halfes together. He then just took all what was inside of the shell and put it into a small bag. When he collected enough shells, he got home and examinated all what he collected. It took long time to find the pearls, because they were so small and very well hidden. He said, that some pinna's didn't even have a single pearl but sometimes he found up to 30 pearls of all different sizes, colors and shapes (just like the ones on the photo) in just a single pinna. He said the best shells where the big missformed (because of ship anchors) ones. They where up to one meter in lengh and where pretty heavy.

The story behind the big brown one: All pearls where found in the flash of the shells, but the big brown one, was on the very bottom of the shell and not where he usually found pearls. He only found one. So any ideas what it could be?

I've found a bunch of other pearls today (although I didn't have much time for searching) and I put them together with the other ones.
I've also uploaded another photo of the brown one, maybe somebody could tell me now what it is!?
When I find more I will let you know.
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How fascinating 19BoKi56; thank you for sharing you and your grandfather's legacy and history with us ... a great privilege.
 
Really enjoying your wonderful family story and the amazing photos! Thank you!
 
The latest image shows the colors and structures nicely.

I enjoy the earthy appearance of these pearls. They have semblances of wood, chestnuts, amber, carnelian and beeswax.

Although somewhat scruffy in ways, they certainly compensate with character in others.


The big brown piece could be a pearl erupted from the sac then being reabsorbed. Reabsorbing calcium from shells is common in many mollusks, especially in the temperate latitudes or estuaries.

It has a coral-like appearance to the structure and if it were any other species than pinna, it would resemble the concentric layers of a onion. Pen shells on the other hand, produce big proteinaceous pearls and it stands to reason they could be erroded in this manner.

It's no gem, but intriguing nonetheless. It's infinitely more rare than the others.
 
The pearls are stored in little white boxes. My grandpa gave me another one, he said that whenever I come visit him, he will give me another box of pearls. Now my curiosity for pearls has awakened. I love the way they look like and it makes me wonder, how might the other pearls look like. The variety in shapes, colors and sizes is huge. This time I even got some which are half silver and half brown. I don't know if this makes them more valuable or not but for me this is special.

I will buy a precision scale to find out how much they weigh, maybe somebody could give me more information about the value. Im don't know much about pearl's, so I don't know what medium value means.

Look at the last photo, can somebody explain how this symetric shape is possible? The brown ones have often interesting symetric shapes. The amber ones are often shaped like a teardrop and the silver ones are mostly round. But there are no teardrop shaped brown pearls and no symetric amber pearls, why?
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It's a treat for us to see so many interesting natural pearls. Thank you for sharing. :)
 
The pearls are stored in little white boxes. My grandpa gave me another one, he said that whenever I come visit him, he will give me another box of pearls. Now my curiosity for pearls has awakened. I love the way they look like and it makes me wonder, how might the other pearls look like. The variety in shapes, colors and sizes is huge. This time I even got some which are half silver and half brown. I don't know if this makes them more valuable or not but for me this is special.

I will buy a precision scale to find out how much they weigh, maybe somebody could give me more information about the value. Im don't know much about pearl's, so I don't know what medium value means.

Look at the last photo, can somebody explain how this symetric shape is possible? The brown ones have often interesting symetric shapes. The amber ones are often shaped like a teardrop and the silver ones are mostly round. But there are no teardrop shaped brown pearls and no symetric amber pearls, why?

These are good questions, because wonder is one of the greatest attributes of natural pearl collection. There are dozens of ways pearls can form, even within the same specimens. In pen shells, it takes about 4 years to become nacreous in the surface structure. The silver pearls would have to be at least that age, even though they're smaller. The location of pearl matters, because in the mantle skirts (for example) natural pearls develop flat spots laying near the shell. Other pearls develop within other tissues, spaces or ducts and create "shadows" distal to the heart. This is often how teardrops form. Some pearls can rotate within the sac, producing ringed effects.

This is why pearls from pen shells are interesting and seeing entire lots like these support their origin. Once high graded and assembled into finished pieces, natural pearls can be difficult to accurately identify.

As to value. There is no fixed standard for natural pearl value. In any natural pearl collection there will be a broad mix of quality, size and shape. The greatest part of any harvest normally involves a high percentage of seed pearls. Sometimes upwards of 90% or more in some species. The remainder will have more value, but only a few will be outstanding gem quality.

What you need to do is this... Find the nicest pearl in the lot. Pick one that's not cracked, large, symmetrical and nacreous. When you have one terrific pearl, it's much easier to find a value. Look around the net, ask us or whatever you need to do to arrive at what you'd believe to be a fair price at auction. Once you have a ball park figure, use that as your standard for the remaining lot. The worst pearl will be one dollar and your best pearl will be X dollars. Then you can grade accordingly. If a pearl is much alike another, but say, less round... it's half the value. Try looking at your lot both ways. Match some sets, apply premium prices and arrive at total value and the effort needed to do it. Think of a flat rate for the entire lot, then compare the two. Only you can decide which is better. We can only help at arriving at your own decision.

The reason I suggest "medium" value is because pearls from pen shells are not considered premium quality for many reasons. Even the best pearls in the lot will likely not parallel the quality of other pterioid or pteriomorph mollusks. That said, they are superior to pearls from heterodonta or other calcareous mollusks.

It's a difficult decision to sell pearls individually or by the lot. Once high graded, the remaining lot's value drops significantly. Likewise wholesalers need to be profitable, lest they get caught holding the bag for otherwise unmarketable pearls. A great part of the cost of manufacturing is precious metal, design and marketing. These must be overcome before profits are realized.

As these pearls are gifted, you have the advantage of not applying your costs in harvesting them. It's reasonable to apply some value for provenance, because the buyer will often delight in knowing the history of the piece. In this day and age, a bargain moves better than a premium

A good price is any price that satisfies the buyer and the seller at the same time.
 
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Thanks Dave, for an excellent post! It is about the best, most concise description of the options for sorting, grading and putting up for sale any unusual natural pearl. And, I doubt there is anyone else here who could have written that post!

good luck 19boki96! Please keep us current and please keep posting photos. It seems like you have enough of those pearls for a necklace. I have seen 2-3 pen pearl necklaces for sale. Drusy Pearls at eBay has one for sale or did recently. Years ago jnorris had one at the tucson gem show, though I did not hear the asking price- I think both were more than $2,000. I think Drusy knocked their price down from around $4k, though I wasn't really paying attention, so my recall is fuzzy.
 
Thank you guys for the informative posts! I really enjoy reading them!
I dind't get new pearls but I made a photo of the biggest ones and I put them also on a scale.
As I said, I bought a pecision scale which even measures in ct. It is accureta to 0.01g.
So I put some pearls on the scale and these are the results:

The big brown one: 6.40ct
Second biggest on the photo: 1.45.ct
Brown teardrop shaped pearl: 1.00ct
Orange teardrop shaped pearl: 0.85ct (this one has no cracks)
Half silver half bron pearl: 1.05ct
Most of the silver pearls: 0.5-0.3ct
The smallest one on the photo: 0.30ct
I think all the smaller ones would be hard to sell, am I righ?

I've found this site which sells pen pearls. http://www.thepearlcollector.com/pen-pearls/?sort=newest
I know some of them have a better luster, less cracks and are bigger, but is this a site I can hold onto or are these quite high prices for pen pearls? Is a price of lets say 20$ for a round silver pearl with 0.4ct too much?
I really have no idea, so excuse me for my silly questions.

As soon as I get new pearls, I will upload a photo again.
I hope next time I will find a nice big one. It's always an amazing feeling to open a new box with pearls. :)
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I know some of them have a better luster, less cracks and are bigger, but is this a site I can hold onto or are these quite high prices for pen pearls? Is a price of lets say 20$ for a round silver pearl with 0.4ct too much?
I really have no idea, so excuse me for my silly questions.

Not silly questions at all, but quite serious. The average retail price for pen pearls at pearlcollector runs about $100/carat. Premium pieces fetch 100-300% more. Even then, they're more affordable than some of the more exotic species.

I'd suggest your price point is fair at a wholesale level. You could add some value for individuals, but then again they'd move well and you'd have some delighted customers.

Smaller pearls are often nicer pearls. What they demerit in size can often merit in surface quality and shape. I notice many of the smaller pearls in your lots are rollers and somewhat matched. Again, value added.

With natural pearls, bigger is not always better. Smaller pearls are usually the closer to perfect pearls, despite their size. Actually, there's a little red one and a couple of orange teardrops that have my eye.
 
I enjoyed these pictures. I'm bumping this because it was just really nice looking at the pearls, and reading all the comments.

It would be great if 19BoKi96 checked in, I be curious to know ofyour adventures?
 
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